June 9, 2008
… And Boy Are My Arms Tired
I just flew back from the East coast where I spent the week in training for a new job - to be known here as “the day job” unrelated to real estate - which explains my absence from this blog for a while.
Over dinner with my new boss, talk naturally turned to our lives out of the office, and real estate and Redfin came up. It turned out that my boss, too, has always been fascinated with the subject and was eager to discuss it (after weather and kids, real estate is about as universal a topic for social ice-breaking as they come). Since we were in Boston, I pointed out that Redfin serves that market and has bloggers who cover it with as much alacrity as we in L.A. cover ours (in spite of their Celtic-centricity … but - ouch! - that’s a different subject).
Mitch had in fact tried clicking through on Redfin.com but was discouraged from proceeding because of the recent MLS-dictated requirement to register. I assured him it was worth the trouble, and that he wouldn’t be spammed if he did.
We swapped our personal real estate stories - both with bottom-line happy endings - and then he asked me the inevitable question: “Is now the time to buy?”
My reflexive response: “No, not even close.” Mitch seemed surprised.
I explained that, first of all, I was characterizing the Los Angeles market and that Boston may well be a different beast; he should register on Redfin and read read the Boston blog to decipher the market there. But in L.A. affordability is still an insurmountable hurdle for the great majority of potential buyers, close to the worst in the nation. I told him that I thought we could expect at least another two years of declining prices before a long, long period of stagnation.
Yes, prices have plunged here. But that’s no indicator that they’re stable now. As Warren Buffett might say, return to the fundamentals. Looking at basics like the ratios of income to prices and rents to prices, there must be a long way to go.
The comforting, deeply embedded illusion that real estate always goes up, or at least never goes down, has been shattered, and is in the process of being ground into powder. A casual glance at current headlines - this from the U.K -still has the power to stun: “Traders predict house prices will fall by 50% in four years” . Of course the U.K. is a different market, but not so long ago that kind of headline would have been as unthinkable there as it used to be here.
Now that I’m back from Boston there’s one more thing that needs to be said: Go Lakers!

Dillon said:
Boston requires users to register? Wow, that’s crazy — not to mention useless. I mean, how hard is it to fake a name on the Internet? Maybe my name is not “Dillon” after all.
Anyways, about income and rent ratios — I think rent ratios is a better measure than income ratios. If you look at real estate as a shelter, people have to either rent or own. So it makes sense that purchase prices (monthly payments) will have to “fall in line” with monthly rents.
But I don’t think income is as relevant. When people can’t afford to buy, they can always rent. Besides, there will always be people who shouldn’t be owners. Even at the height of home ownership, only about 69% of U.S. households own their own homes. And I imagine that percentage is even lower in Southern California. So one is expected to make more than median income in order to afford a median-priced home. For someone making “only” the median income, they really should be looking at low-end homes, or renting.
Nevertheless, I agree that prices will have to fall more. It still costs a lot more to own than to rent.
June 9, 2008 10:50 AM
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Marcy said:
Indeed, Dillon. Getting in the realms of what you already pay for rent, makes the most sense. You already know you can afford THAT much. Keep in mind however, that mortgage insurance and homeowner’s insurance are gonna bang that up a couple hundred per month, plus you must save part (I figure 10%) of your salary toward home expenses, maintenance and yearly property tax. If you can still afford that, search and buy.
I read something this morning that gave median income in southern California at just under 50k per year. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that if your gross income is in that ballpark, you simply can’t afford to buy a home (median price is still around 500k I believe). No wonder people can’t come up with a 20% down, either. That’s not small potatoes. I’d much rather rent the rest of my life in a decent, convenient area that I enjoy, than buy some miserable dump in a horrid section of town, many, many miles away from work. That would not be a wise investment.
June 10, 2008 12:45 PM
Bahn said:
Yes, Boston is our only market that requires users to register. It’s the only way the local MLS would let us share the data feed with our users.
Kobe needs to get to the free throw line for the Lakers to win tonight.
June 10, 2008 12:53 PM